The "Truth" About Obama's Religion

It isn't every day that even a self-important and formerly fairly good newspaper like the Washington Post announces "the truth" about a contentious issue like Barack Obama's religion, but now we have it from their otherwise undistinguished staff writer Eli Sastrow, who was only recently promoted from reporting on swimming, where his cosmic insight was wasted on stories like Ziegler Sets Meet Mark in 400 Freestyle.

Lately the Post has been dispatching the Jimmy Olsen of their national news desk to hotspots like Flag City, Ohio, where he finds a few rubes who are so amazingly stupid that they haven't figured out the truth about Barack Obama!

On the television in his living room, Peterman has watched enough news and campaign advertisements to hear the truth: Sen. Barack Obama, born in Hawaii, is a Christian family man with a track record of public service. But on the Internet, in his grocery store, at his neighbor's house, at his son's auto shop, Peterman has also absorbed another version of the Democratic candidate's background, one that is entirely false: Barack Obama, born in Africa, is a possibly gay Muslim racist who refuses to recite the Pledge of Allegiance.

This set-up illustrates the keen analytic skills that Mr. Sastrow honed at swim meets from Petaluma to Podunk: Either you believe that Barack Obama is a "Christian family man," or you believe he's a "gay Muslim racist." Which sounds more reasonable to you?

Mr. Sastrow also slips in another bogus distinction that old media outlets like the Washington Post would love to see us all accept: The "truth" belongs to newspapers, TV news, and even campaign advertisements, and the internet is dismissed along with other rumor mills like grocery stores and auto shops.

But in spite of the awesome authority of the Washington Post (Colin Powell's speech about Saddam's WMDs was "irrefutable") I can't quite accept that the difficult question of Barack Obama's religion is reducible to a ludicrous contrast between "Christian family man" and "gay Muslim racist."

The myth that "Barry Soetoro" attended a madrassa in Indonesia has been sufficiently debunked, but the only hard evidence about Obama's religious affiliation as a child is his listing as a Muslim on his elementary school registration. Friendly journalists and the Obama campaign usually disappear this document with a lot of hand-waving about how Obama's step-father Lolo Soetoro occasionally had a beer and wasn't really a "devout" Muslim, but Soetoro's spotty attendance at the local mosque doesn't mean he also ignored the core Muslim requirement of Salah, ritual prayer performed five times every day. Did little Barry pray beside his step-father, or did he somehow stand outside the rhythm of everyday life in an Indonesian household?

The story of Barack Obama's church in Chicago is so famous that even the hicks in Hickville know it backward and forward, and Eli Sastrow's pitiful rhetorical tricks probably can't sell a preacher like Jeremiah Wright and a couple of patron saints like James Cone and Louis Farrakhan as witnesses that Barack Obama has much in common with the sort of "Christian family man" you might encounter in an auto shop or grocery store in rural Ohio.

How far did Barack Obama ever subscribe to the semi-Christian black-power ideology of James Cone and Jeremiah Wright? Whatever his other motivations may have been, Barack Obama joined Trinity Church when it was politically convenient to belong to its powerful congregation, and he left it when it wasn't.

So the question of Barack Obama's religion is significantly more complicated than the Washington Post portrays it, and their silly division between Christian "family values" and gay Muslim racism dissolves into more difficult issues like the relative power of childhood training compared to Barack Obama's formerly convenient membership in a powerful congregation.

Does a politically convenient association with the black-power "Christianity" of Jeremiah Wright really run deeper than Barack Obama's childhood immersion in the rhythms of Islam?

The real situation is probably even more shadowy than any division, and it may be that Barack Obama chose the ethnocentric ideology of Jeremiah Wright's church in Chicago precisely because it resonated so deeply with his experience of Islam as a child in Lolo Soetoro's house in Jakarta.



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Re: The "Truth" About Obama's Religion (2.00 / 14)

Nice smear job. You forgot to mention that Barack also attended a catholic school while in Soetoro's house in Jakarta. You are falling down on the job. You should have questioned whether he is a secret Papist.


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Mon Jun 30, 2008 at 03:51:00 PM EST

Re: The "Truth" About Obama's Religion (2.00 / 9)

You should have questioned whether he is a secret Papist.

Well so much for keeping a secret.


Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving that there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the proof.
by jsfox on Mon Jun 30, 2008 at 03:54:17 PM EST
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Re: The "Truth" About Obama's Religion (none / 0)

Is there a point where the term, "Democrat," is no longer sufficient to prevent banning people who are unable to embrace the party's nominee?


That's it, baby; let's go win this election!
by Beltway Dem on Mon Jun 30, 2008 at 06:59:24 PM EST
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Re: The "Truth" About Obama's Religion (none / 0)

He's no democrat. He makes no secret of his hatred for all things Democratic or liberal. His account would have been terminated long ago on any progressive site.


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Mon Jun 30, 2008 at 07:23:16 PM EST
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Re: The "Truth" About Obama's Religion (1.93 / 15)


by spunkmeyer on Mon Jun 30, 2008 at 03:52:51 PM EST

Who do you hate more? (2.00 / 10)

Blacks or muslims?


by JJE on Mon Jun 30, 2008 at 03:55:53 PM EST

Re: Who do you hate more? (2.00 / 5)

that's easy - gays.


by the mollusk on Mon Jun 30, 2008 at 04:25:52 PM EST
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Re: Who do you hate more? (2.00 / 1)

Be careful there, some of the black radical Christian biracial elite Muslims are also secret gays!  You've got to know the secret 'handshake' before they'll let you in on their hidden agendas!


by candidate D on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 03:14:20 AM EST
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Ya wouldn't know the truth if it bit you on the... (2.00 / 13)

"The real situation is probably even more shadowy than any division...

Ogga-booga! Scary Monsters! Shadowy!!!!

Jacob raises the Obama Terror Alert to Orange!

Jacob, you were a crack-pot on the Daily Kos, you're still a left wing version of a Free-Republic WingNut here at MyDD.


On Nov 4th, Barack Obama officially ends the Southern Strategy....
by WashStateBlue on Mon Jun 30, 2008 at 03:56:55 PM EST

Re: The "Truth" About Obama's Religion (1.92 / 13)

Up to the unbelievably high standards of Jacob Freeze, Texas Darlin', and Larry Johnson. Bravo! You are now a world class slimy Troll!!!


TANSTAAFL
by Terminus on Mon Jun 30, 2008 at 03:57:17 PM EST

Re: The "Truth" About Obama's Religion (2.00 / 13)

Will someone kindly ban this ignorant motherfucker?

Seriously.


John McCain wants to stay in Iraq.
by ihaveseenenough on Mon Jun 30, 2008 at 03:59:41 PM EST

Re: The "Truth" About Obama's Religion (2.00 / 5)

No please don't. I'll truly miss my Jacobfreeze fall out of my chair laughing moments.


Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving that there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the proof.
by jsfox on Mon Jun 30, 2008 at 04:02:50 PM EST
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I'm gonna have to go ahead and... (2.00 / 5)

Kinda disagree with you on that.
He's not nutso enough to be funny, and doesn't have that OUTRAGED!!! thing going on the way Allergy did.
He's lame.
Somebody said a week or so ago, and it was true
¡We Need Better Trolls!
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by Mumphrey on Mon Jun 30, 2008 at 04:13:47 PM EST
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Re: The "Truth" About Obama's Religion (2.00 / 1)

The fact that this troll is still allowed to post his hateful spew here speaks VERY poorly of Jerome and the other site admins.


by Angry White Democrat on Mon Jun 30, 2008 at 05:04:25 PM EST
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Re: The "Truth" About Obama's Religion (2.00 / 3)


by Kysen on Mon Jun 30, 2008 at 04:01:10 PM EST

Re: The "Truth" About Obama's Religion (2.00 / 10)

Are you an idiot by birth or by choice?


by rfahey22 on Mon Jun 30, 2008 at 04:02:00 PM EST

Re: The "Truth" About Obama's Religion (2.00 / 6)

JACOBFREEZE THANK YOU FOR POSTING THIS DIARY!!! YOU ARE SO RIGHT THAT OBAMA THINKS HE IS TELLING THE TRUTH ABOUT HIS RELIGON BUT THEIR IS SO MUCH MORE HE WONT SAY!!!!! HE BELIEVES LIKE JERMIAH WRIGHT THAT HE HATES WHITE PEOPLE AND BELIEVES BLACK POEPLE NEED TO BE LIBERATED!!!!! I DONT EVEN THINK HE BELIEVED IN JESUS THAT LONG BECAUSE HE USED TO BE ISLAM!!!!!! THE MEDIA IS SO STUPID TO LISTEN TO EVREYTHING OBAMA SAYS LOL LOL!!!!!!!


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Mon Jun 30, 2008 at 04:37:48 PM EST
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Re: The "Truth" About Obama's Religion (2.00 / 11)

This diary is not quite as good as your "Our Heartless Candidate, Barack Obama" diary, but it is better than your "Slogans and a Big Smile Won't Unify the Democrats" and "Obama Plays 'Gotcha' with RFK Assassination" diaries.

Keep up the good... errr.... keep up the work!


And so, may evil beware and may good dress warmly and eat lots of fresh vegetables.
by thatpurplestuff on Mon Jun 30, 2008 at 04:06:33 PM EST

Re: The "Truth" About Obama's Religion (1.88 / 9)

Work?
I've taken dumps that required more effort than this 'diary'.
by Kysen on Mon Jun 30, 2008 at 04:08:18 PM EST
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Re: The "Truth" About Obama's Religion (1.90 / 10)

Not only that....they produced a better product!


by Kysen on Mon Jun 30, 2008 at 04:10:11 PM EST
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Re: The "Truth" About Obama's Religion (2.00 / 7)

Hahaha


And so, may evil beware and may good dress warmly and eat lots of fresh vegetables.
by thatpurplestuff on Mon Jun 30, 2008 at 04:11:08 PM EST
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Go away. (2.00 / 6)

Please.  For all of us, just go away.  This shit isn't even over-the-top-funny, the way Allegre and TexasDarlin's worthless ramblings were.
Either get better at this or give it up.
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by Mumphrey on Mon Jun 30, 2008 at 04:08:55 PM EST

Re: The "Truth" About Obama's Religion (1.80 / 10)

Jacob Freeze putting the ASS in PUMA.


Welcome to a landslide WITH white working class, latinos, women and holding on sweeties!!!
by spacemanspiff on Mon Jun 30, 2008 at 04:09:21 PM EST

Watch out Jacob! (2.00 / 10)


by JJE on Mon Jun 30, 2008 at 04:09:44 PM EST

Re: The "Truth" About Obama's Religion (2.00 / 8)

Wow Jacob.  You've really out-done yourself.

You've totally convinced me of whatever the fuck the point of this screed was in the first place.

Well done to you!


by Reaper0Bot0 on Mon Jun 30, 2008 at 04:24:50 PM EST

jacob - please stop. (2.00 / 5)


"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Mon Jun 30, 2008 at 04:34:13 PM EST

Re: jacob - please stop. (2.00 / 1)

But, candadian gal, that would require tact and logic.
Mr. BrainFreeze is sorely lacking in both.
by Kysen on Mon Jun 30, 2008 at 04:56:04 PM EST
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Re: The "Truth" About Obama's Religion (2.00 / 2)

Please do not lump in Cone with your attacks.  Cone is a really really great academic whom many of my friends have studied under.


Matthew25Network.com
by cardboard 1 on Mon Jun 30, 2008 at 04:56:06 PM EST

Re: The "Truth" About Obama's Religion (2.00 / 1)

And then the coward who wrote this, doesn't even bother to reply to comments.


by venician on Mon Jun 30, 2008 at 05:13:58 PM EST

Re: The "Truth" About Obama's Religion (2.00 / 2)

Jacob Freeze- posting puma crap here so you don't have to go read it over there.


"Who are you for? That is the wrong question. It should be who is for you?" HRC
by skohayes on Mon Jun 30, 2008 at 05:22:58 PM EST

Re: The "Truth" About Obama's Religion (2.00 / 3)

Manure is most beneficial when it is spread widely. Ask any farmer.


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Mon Jun 30, 2008 at 06:20:23 PM EST
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Re: The "Truth" About Obama's Religion (2.00 / 4)

By the way, if anyone is still wondering where Jacob Freeze's allegiances lie, feel free to check out his blog on MySpace.  I randomly googled this guys name to see if he spread this filth to other sites, and I found this crap.

From an entry entitled: "Still No Love for Hillary"

"Bill Clinton is one of the best liars in the recent history of American politics, where there hasn't been much talent for anything else, but I still didn't believe him."

...

"It was almost enough when she cried in New Hampshire, and if she had been crying for soldiers who died in Iraq, or families broken by endless deployments or bankrupted by medical bills, or veterans sleeping under the bridges in Washington DC, or children lining up with their parents for the six o'clock rush into homeless shelters in Chicago and New York and Los Angeles... If Hillary Clinton had cried for anybody on the nightmare side of the American dream, it would have been enough.

But she was crying because her campaign had already started to unravel in the early primaries, she was crying out of frustrated ambition and self-pity, and nobody loves that."

http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseac tion=blog.view&friendID=182637574&am p;blogID=357768020&Mytoken=38076FB7- CFAB-4942-90A24177C8E8FBD9230547575

Another gem about Hillary, in which he refers to Hillary as "Batwoman" and Barack as "The Fog Monster":

"Batwoman's supporters claim there's a real person under the bat-disguise, and it's probably Kathy Kane, the pre-lesbian version of the character who actually liked Batman (guess who?). Batwoman certainly exudes an air of competence, partly because of distinguished supporting actors like Richard Holbrooke in the role of Ace the Bat-Hound. But the only sign I ever saw of Batwoman's human simulacrum "Kathy" was when Batwoman cried after losing the first battle of the season, and it looked like self-pity to me."

http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseac tion=blog.view&friendID=182637574&am p;blogID=353333258&Mytoken=39666592- 3FAF-4CB3-AA77C70C9982E3C0230964005


Of course, now we're supposed to believe (per his diaries here) that he is an ardent Clinton supporter that is upset that she lost and he just happens to hate Obama for being unfair to her.  I submit that this guy hated both of our candidates, but was willing to pen a bunch of pieces in support of Hillary in order to sow division here.  But hey, what do I know.


And so, may evil beware and may good dress warmly and eat lots of fresh vegetables.
by thatpurplestuff on Mon Jun 30, 2008 at 05:58:06 PM EST

Re: The "Truth" About Obama's Religion (1.60 / 5)

I hope the deadenders take a look at how easily they are being played.


Welcome to a landslide WITH white working class, latinos, women and holding on sweeties!!!
by spacemanspiff on Mon Jun 30, 2008 at 06:17:20 PM EST
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Re: The "Truth" About Obama's Religion (2.00 / 3)

Oh no, purple. There are no trolls on this site. Haven't you gotten the memo? aliveandkickin' is a simply a contrarian and people like jacob are only trying to be good dems by pointing out things we should be concerned about. You kool-aid drinking enemies of the first amendment who think you can tell the difference between honest criticism and trolls really bug me.


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Mon Jun 30, 2008 at 06:19:13 PM EST
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This guy's mask has slipped some (2.00 / 4)

he referred to a Obama Clinton white House in very derogatory terms a while back,

look here:
http://jacob-freeze.mydd.com/story/2008/ 6/5/2022/70022

We need better trolls, aliveandkickin was decent in that he put some effort into him, but the best trolls take a great deal of deduction to identify...


The guy advising John McCain on the economy thinks you are a whiner.
by Sanguine Giant on Mon Jun 30, 2008 at 06:21:08 PM EST
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Re: This guy's mask has slipped some (1.71 / 7)

Hey! Hope to see a "S"anguine "G"iant diary soon.


Welcome to a landslide WITH white working class, latinos, women and holding on sweeties!!!
by spacemanspiff on Mon Jun 30, 2008 at 06:36:55 PM EST
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I am keeping very busy (none / 0)

having to learn a bunch of procedures is interesting but soul sucking...

There is so much I could write on too if I had the time...


The guy advising John McCain on the economy thinks you are a whiner.
by Sanguine Giant on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 03:55:54 PM EST
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Re: The "Truth" About Obama's Religion (2.00 / 3)

OMG, my baby's mama totally said that her friend told her that Obama once stood outside an anarchist mormon bestiality cult meeting!!  Jacob FreeZE!  Plz research this too!  "The Truth" about Obama's anarchist mormon bestiality cult ties must be exploreeddd!!!

/snark


"There's something horrible and undefeatable about people who have no life except the worship of power. People who don't want the meeting to end."
by campaignmonitor on Mon Jun 30, 2008 at 06:26:13 PM EST

Re: The "Truth" About Obama's Religion (2.00 / 3)

This post should be called "The Troll posting About Obama's Religion".


by Why Not on Mon Jun 30, 2008 at 06:41:02 PM EST

It's a fact (2.00 / 2)

It's a fact that Reverend Wright believes in and teaches "Black Liberation Theology." It's also a fact that "Cone" is the creator of this theology. What's the smear that many are suggesting?


by soyousay on Mon Jun 30, 2008 at 07:52:50 PM EST

Re: The "Truth" About Obama's Religion (none / 0)

 Hiss-ss-ss


by Mae Scott on Mon Jun 30, 2008 at 08:44:40 PM EST

Re: The "Truth" About Obama's Religion (none / 0)

this reminds me of another video perfect for this 'diary':

A Snake! A Snake! Ohhhh....it's a Snake!!

;)


by Kysen on Mon Jun 30, 2008 at 11:13:27 PM EST
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his mom was atheist (none / 0)

and he claimed that she is the most influenced person in his life.
I doubt he is religious so he  he is using religion just to avoid collision with American voters.
Welcome to a Landslide without white Working class, Latinos, Women, Seniors and holding-on sweeties
by engels on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 08:11:22 AM EST


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