McCain is not complaining about the media

One commenter speculated that John McCain was using the strategy Clinton allegedly used, that is, working the refs in order to gain sympathy. Besides the fact that Clinton did not put a gun to SNL's staff's heads to mock pro-Obama/anti-Clinton coverage, I have this to say:

First of all, Barack Obama received immensely better coverage than Hillary Clinton, just as he is receiving immensely better coverage than John McCain this time around.

Second, John McCain declined to comment when asked whether he thought the media was going a bit too far in its coverage of Barack Obama's trip.

If you want to continue the primary fighting-mode, bring it on. I will gladly debunk your BS, my cultist friends. If you act as if the primaries are over and stop picking on Hillary, I will give you a pass on your fabrications against McCain. In the meantime, allow me to debunk your falsehood:

Howard Kurtz, AP's TV critic David Brauder, and the director of the Project for Excellence in Journalism, among others, and not John McCain, have been complaining about the fawning coverage received by Obama in recent weeks:

See "Kurtz: Media "Covering Obama As If He Were Already President" (July 21, 2008):
http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/poli tics/kurtz_media_covering_obama_as_if_he _were_already_president_89744.asp?c=rss

See, "Is media playing fair in campaign coverage?" (July 20, 2008), where Bauer observes:

The news media have devoted significantly more attention to the Democrat since Hillary Rodham Clinton suspended her campaign and left a two-person contest for the presidency between Obama and Republican John McCain, according to research conducted by the Project for Excellence in Journalism.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080720/ap_e n_tv/ap_on_tv_obama_s_trip

See Tom Rosenstiel, director of the independent Project for Excellence in Journalism, saying,

"No matter how understandable it is given the newness of the candidate and the historical nature of Obama's candidacy, in the end it's probably not fair to McCain,"
.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080720/ap_e n_tv/ap_on_tv_obama_s_trip



Display:


First: (2.00 / 6)

Fuck you, who the hell are you to accuse me of being a cultist?  You don't know me or any of the rest of us, so take your pompous prejudicial crap and stuff it where your so-called tolerant liberalism does not shine, you hypocritical piece of shit.

Second - it might just be that McCain is a sad sight for a television crew and Obama makes for better media.

Third - it could be that the media like the rest of the nation (short of perhaps yourself and the eight people at the PUMA rally) have already decided that this frickin' race is over and are only going through the motions covering McCain.

Fourth - as many in the media have said, McCain has always gotten the soft treatment from the media in general, and the more they show of him the worse he looks so they are having mercy on his soon-to-be-still-a-Senator hide.

-chris


Motley Moose: Progress Through Politics
by chrisblask on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 11:46:56 PM EST

Re: First: (1.00 / 1)

I am tempted to hide your comment because it is inappropriate on a lot of levels.

Try to elevate the conversation from kindargaten name calling next time to a more substantial level..


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 11:59:46 PM EST
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Re: First: (2.00 / 2)

Did that nasty thunderstorm come your way this evening? We had trees blown down in Maryville. The storm was up around Morristown. Did Kingsport get hit?


by elrod on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 12:06:16 AM EST
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Re: First: (2.00 / 1)

We were lucky , it hit Rockwood ..

Quite some damage , local reports talk about down trees.

We are not in the clear for the night though , still a chance overnight for more bad weather.


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 12:18:45 AM EST
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Re: First: (2.00 / 2)

Good for you. Rockwood is pretty far from you, right? I thought it was out in Roane County, west of Knoxville?

Here's a picture of some damage here in Maryville:
http://www.blounttalk.com/b2evolution/bl ogs/index.php/2008/07/21/downedtree-00-3 -jpg?blog=2

BTW, you should consider jumping in on some of the Tennessee blogs. Tennviews is run by Randy Neal, from Alcoa. It's got links to a bunch of local TN blogs. I don't know what's up the Tri Cities way though.

http://www.tennviews.com/


by elrod on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 01:01:35 AM EST
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Re: First: (2.00 / 5)

I'm so tempted to troll rate you for calling names (kindargaten...).  That was inappropriate on a lot of levels.  Lori, try to elevate the conversation to a more substantial level.


Ornithological Vaccinations and Aviary Heuristics
by OVAH on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 12:30:05 AM EST
[ Parent ]

The flaw in the argument (2.00 / 7)

is that someone getting more media exposure is not necessarily getting better coverage.

McCain made a major gaffe today regarding the mythical Iraq-Pakistan border; that gaffe probably should have been run on every news network given that he has presented himself as a foreign policy expert but I don't recall it getting any play except on Countdown.

The coverage between HRC and Obama was unquestionably in Obama's favor; but between Obama and McCain, I think it has been pretty fair in the sense that when Obama gets positive news coverage, he gets really positive coverage and when he gets negative coverage, the coverage is really negative.


by Blazers Edge on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 11:48:44 PM EST

Re: McCain is not complaining about the media (2.00 / 9)

So, it's 65 degrees and very pleasant here in north central Minnesota. It's been a fairly cool and wet July so far. How is the weather wherevern you are. Just curious, why are republicans allowed to post here?


The Moose is on the loose. "And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"
by Hollede on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 11:49:43 PM EST

Re: McCain is not complaining about the media (2.00 / 5)

Hot as hell here in Tennessee today. But a HUGE thunderstorm cooled things off.


by elrod on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 12:05:13 AM EST
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Re: McCain is not complaining about the media (2.00 / 5)

Texas: like mid 80s right now. the humidity is killer. like 45%. seriously humidity sucks ass.


by alyssa chaos on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 12:09:16 AM EST
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Re: McCain is not complaining about the media (2.00 / 5)

Chico, California here.  A beautiful 76 degree night, especially nice since the skies are starting to finally clear up after all of the wildfires.


And so, may evil beware and may good dress warmly and eat lots of fresh vegetables.
by thatpurplestuff on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 12:14:20 AM EST
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Re: McCain is not complaining about the media (2.00 / 7)

kind of strange weather here today in toronto...  

really rainy and sunny at the same time - around 30C (about 86F) plus humidity was a killer.


"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that word I reach for my feather Boa!" -- Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 12:19:48 AM EST
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Re: McCain is not complaining about the media (2.00 / 2)

Pretty grey today, but at least it's a little cooler.


by bottl4 on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 09:43:27 AM EST
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Damn awful in NYC (2.00 / 6)

been in the 90s for at least a week.  The city really starts to get pungent when it's like this.  Supposed to be some cooling thunderstorms tomorrow though.


by JJE on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 12:48:50 AM EST
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Re: Damn awful in NYC (2.00 / 1)

Overcast and cold in Northern NSW with light winds and two-metre swells offshore.  Low's in the low 50's overnight with chance of showers in early morning.


by Shaun Appleby on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 01:44:49 AM EST
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Re: Damn awful in NYC (2.00 / 1)

NYC is hot,humid and over ripe. My cats are brilliant they have are sleeping either in the bathtub or sprawled out on the cool, cool bathroom floor.


Ida B. "We have always known that heedless self-interest was bad morals; we know now that it is bad economics"--F.D.R.
by Ida B on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 01:53:09 AM EST
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Re: McCain is not complaining about the media (none / 0)

It is 73 and sunny in Chicago cause due to the NW winds we usually get what you have 1-2 days later.  Keep it coming will ya?


by Satya on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 01:27:45 PM EST
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McCain is not complaining about the media (2.00 / 8)

but you are.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 11:50:12 PM EST

Re: McCain is not complaining about the media (2.00 / 9)

The damn liberal media is responsible for the moral decline in America.  They, along with the liberal academic elite, cause us to have liberal activist judges that legislate from the bench and function to destroy America's moral fiber and wage an all out War on Christmas.

Did that cover the rest of O'Reilly's talking points well enough, or should I write an entire diary about how the vast left wing conspiracy is unfair to McCain?


And so, may evil beware and may good dress warmly and eat lots of fresh vegetables.
by thatpurplestuff on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 11:51:15 PM EST

Re: McCain is not complaining about the media (2.00 / 2)

Oh yeah, and you get a shame rec.  If the mods are going to allow people like this to post day after day, the least I can do is try to get these pieces of garbage on the rec list.


And so, may evil beware and may good dress warmly and eat lots of fresh vegetables.
by thatpurplestuff on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 11:53:51 PM EST
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This is snark....right? (2.00 / 5)

"First of all, Barack Obama received immensely better coverage than Hillary Clinton, just as he is receiving immensely better coverage than John McCain this time around."

McSame has gotten a free pass from the corporate media on at least 90% of his daily gaffes and lies.

As for the nonsense about Clinton....it's over. Get a life.

"If you want to continue the primary fighting-mode, bring it on. I will gladly debunk your BS, my cultist friends."

I think, "Fuck off, loser," is the appropriate response, my McPuma friend.


by Beren on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 11:56:33 PM EST

bullshit. (2.00 / 7)

pure bullshit of the highest quality- you sir/madame are full of it.

If you want to continue the primary fighting-mode, bring it on. I will gladly debunk your BS, my cultist friends.



eeessh-


by alyssa chaos on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 12:01:26 AM EST

Re: McCain is not complaining about the media (2.00 / 10)

in my dream site moderation update i hope to have the ability to rate diaries and questions simply as WTF?  sometimes its the only appropriate response to the trash posted here.

even better would be quoi? for extra elitist points...


by elie on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 12:01:27 AM EST

Re: McCain is not complaining about the media (2.00 / 7)

You have to wonder about people who post nothing but smears on democrats to liberal blogs.  Is this just the troll psychology at work: a gluttony for punishment?  or does the diarist honestly intend to convince people of this transparent nonsense?

it's probably not fair to McCain
Cry me a freakin' river.  


by semiquaver on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 12:21:36 AM EST
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media=fail. (2.00 / 9)

this diary=fail.


"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that word I reach for my feather Boa!" -- Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 12:04:31 AM EST

The media SHOULD cover McCain more (2.00 / 8)

that they don't is to his great benefit.

When you joke about killing Iranians with cigarettes, and the AP turns it into fluff about your wife poking you, that's awesome non-coverage.


by Neef on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 12:12:20 AM EST

Anyone see Obama's response (2.00 / 1)

on ABC News to the hypothetical surge questions?  This question has nothing to do with the thread but it will deteriorate quickly anyway.

I thought his answer would be that the surge took away our ability to send more troops into Afghanistan for the last year and a half, which was a mistake because Afghanistan has always remained the central front on the War on terrorism.  He didn't answer that way and I don't think gave a very convincing answer, which is surprising considering that he should have expected the question.


by Blazers Edge on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 12:12:23 AM EST

Re: Anyone see Obama's response (none / 0)

I bet you that would be a controversy tomorrow.

Thats a gotcha question and I don't like those type of questions.

It used to be directed at Clinton during the primaries to question her judgement .

Infact Obama used it effectively to go after her and I expect the other side to do the same.

He said hindsight was 20/20 , the same could have been said about Clinton's initial vote but she wasn't granted that luxury .


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 12:23:21 AM EST
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I don't think so (none / 0)

if the media is in the tank for Obama as this diarist suggests...the talk tomorrow will still be on Maliki and the Iraqi government effectively endorsing Obama's timeline for withdrawal.

I agree that Obama flubbed the question.  I used to consider Obama this party's best one-on-one interviewer but he failed to steer the interviewer to what the focus should have been on: the effective endorsement of his withdrawal plan but Obama failed to take control, as he so often does, in this interview with Moran.  


by Blazers Edge on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 12:32:05 AM EST
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Neither McCain nor Obama (none / 0)

will admit to a faulty judgment; McCain with respect to the initial invasion and the growing threat of the Taliban and Al Qaeda in Afghanistan/Pakistan and Obama with respect to the impact that the surge would have on the country's security.  

Both of these guys are more than happy to engage in a pissing match about foreign policy; you won't find two guys that are more confident in themselves than these two.  The debates should be fun, though not particulary substantive.


by Blazers Edge on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 12:35:26 AM EST
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Re: Neither McCain nor Obama (2.00 / 1)

Obama is not shying way from foreign policy discussions/Military matters which is great unlike Kerry.

Especially going against a war hero like Mccain.


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 12:40:20 AM EST
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The irony is brilliant (none / 0)

Our war hero shied away from a foreign policy battle with a drunk frat boy while a civil rights lawyer is not giving one inch to their war hero.  I still don't like the battle but Maliki gave Obama a huge boost.  Still, this was a C- interview for Obama and he should hope it goes away; Nightline interviews usually disappear.


by Blazers Edge on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 12:42:53 AM EST
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Re: The irony is brilliant (2.00 / 1)

I would be surprised if the noise machine doesn't jump on it.

Its too easy an opening to miss.

Obama is playing to win , no doubt .

Kerry didn't know what the hell he was doing.


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 12:45:37 AM EST
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The Jordan press conference (none / 0)

should happen in the next couple hours; Obama wants the argument to be all about withdrawal.  Let's see if he can push the media towards that direction.  

It's almost as if him and McCain have switched positions in the last couple of months.  Now, McCain wants to argue about something that happened in the past (the surge) while Obama wants to argue about the future (withdrawal) while a couple of months ago, Obama wanted to argue about the past (why we went into Iraq) while McCain wanted to argue about the future of Iraq.


by Blazers Edge on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 12:50:32 AM EST
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Re: The Jordan press conference (none / 0)

i agree with you .

sorta like a reversal of fortune with obama coming off with the winning hand.


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 12:55:00 AM EST
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The surge question (2.00 / 2)

is a difficult one because thinking simplistically, one can say the surge "worked" and the Democrats were wrong and McCain was right and bang! who wins on Iraq...McCain.

But the surge did not "work" as it was intended. It's intention was not to reduce the number of causalities, it was to create a barrier to allow Iraq to formulate it's own government and security. Instead Iraq has used us as a crutch and has become dependent on us to stay alive and in that respect it was not and was never going to be, a success.

But good luck trying to explain that to the American people who base their entire judgment of the war on body counts.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 08:25:06 AM EST
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Re: Neither McCain nor Obama (2.00 / 3)

Isn't "The surge worked!" largely a myth?

Juan Cole makes some interesting points
http://www.juancole.com/2008/07/obama-in -iraq-der-spiegel-proves-al.html

The general view of the surge outside of pro-war beltway pundits desperate to save their reputations seems to be that while the military did its job ultimately the Iraqis didn't meet any larger objectives like setting the stage for reconciliation between the factions.  Further, when you look at the map of Baghdad, you'll notice factions are far more segregated.  In essence, the surge just broke up the bar fight but it didn't sober anyone up.


by Homebrewer on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 12:49:45 AM EST
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Re: Anyone see Obama's response (2.00 / 2)

So poor McCain and Hillary always get those unfair 'gotcha' questions from Obama's mean old press drones, and even mean old Obama himself?  Man, that guy is really evil!  Lori, how do we stop this menace called Obama?


Ornithological Vaccinations and Aviary Heuristics
by OVAH on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 12:37:20 AM EST
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Re: Anyone see Obama's response (none / 0)

????..


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 12:41:39 AM EST
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Re: Anyone see Obama's response (2.00 / 2)

How can we help defend these two innocent little flowers from the mean old Obamanator?


Hillary 4 life.
by Hill4Life on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 12:44:54 AM EST
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Yes, he needs (2.00 / 3)

a good response to this "omg teh surge worked!" meme the GOP is trying to push. The problem is he can't really push back with the truth (unsustainable, bribery of tribal leaders, ethic cleansing) so his team is probably hustling to put together a Joe Sixpack version.

Your answer is as good as any he's likely to give.


by Neef on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 12:37:22 AM EST
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The GOP knew (2.00 / 1)

the American people were basing success in Iraq on body count, so all they needed to do was reduce that, and it was obvious the surge would, at the very least, do THAT.

The rest is all just noise.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 08:26:33 AM EST
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That's true (2.00 / 1)

and I almost think Obama should just concede that it DID work. Trying to explain the intricate shortfalls will just make him look like a sore loser.


by Neef on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 08:39:03 AM EST
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But it didn't work (2.00 / 1)

It worked to lower body count, but it made Iraq more dependent on us and that's actually counterproductive toward our goal of getting out of there with our heads held high.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 10:06:42 AM EST
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Yeah, agreed (none / 0)

and when I wrote "concede" I should have written "concede the point" - in a debating sense, not in a "Bush was correct" sense

The Surge didn't really work, but if he can't prove it didn't work in a 15s soundbite, he should avoid digging himself into the "I can't admit I'm wrong" hole.

Frame it, or concede it and move on.


by Neef on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 11:40:05 AM EST
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and what (none / 0)

let McCain beat us over the head with it? The entire foreign policy debate will be focused on Obama and the Democrats being wrong on the surge, what else are they wrong on?

We were not wrong on the surge and we cannot let them frame it that way. We need to find a way to articulate that for the simpleton population.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 12:15:25 PM EST
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We can't avoid every hit (none / 0)

and without a proper frame, he's already beating us up over this. It just looks like we're too stupid/dishonest to admit it.

There are two choices:

  1. The surge didn't work BECAUSE..., or
  2. The surge worked BUT...

#1 is preferable, but it needs a frame. It's hard to argue the Surge is unsustainable (which is true) while Maliki is saying "cool, you guys can leave now". It's hard to argue we essentially bribed our way to peace without the Media carrying some of that water, etc.

#2 gets us past this (with a black eye, admittedly), and lets us go back on offense - "Iraqis want us to leave!".


by Neef on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 12:54:29 PM EST
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If we allow #2 (none / 0)

we will have to eliminate Iraq as our issue. If our argument is "Iraq wants us to leave", McCain will concur (lying of course) and the two will have no difference on Iraq.

Then the issue defers to judgment and experience and Obama loses on that.

He's already tied or losing to McCain on the Iraq issue.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 11:52:04 PM EST
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Re: Anyone see Obama's response (2.00 / 2)

Sadly, I agree, but it was probably as true an answer as he could have given. Bush was not listening to anyone. It's hard to answer hypothetically because the odds are just as high that Bush didn't know what he was doing either. He just went with whatever plan shoved a nail in Congress's eye.


"Hey, check it out. You just had yourself a glue OD. So you're learning another lesson. Don't do too much glue, or your night sucks."
by vcalzone on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 08:13:23 AM EST
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there are NO other candidates (2.00 / 6)

That would survive in the current media environment with the same number of substantial flip flops on major issues that McCain has had. That is a fact. The only reason McCain isn't making such a big deal out of the Obama coverage is b/c he realizes that his entire political existence is a case of media welfare.


by highgrade on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 12:40:41 AM EST

Re: there are NO other candidates (2.00 / 4)

I'm not sure he's actually aware of that, actually.


by Reaper0Bot0 on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 12:44:15 AM EST
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Re: McCain is not complaining about the media (2.00 / 9)

Yet another time when I feel like I just wandered into an argument between a crazy person and a fire hydrant.


by rfahey22 on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 12:46:17 AM EST

Re: McCain is not complaining about the media (2.00 / 4)

Actually, all the Obama stories are intentional.

Republican strategist, back in March, came to the consensus that they couldn't win the election if it became about John McCain.  Instead, they felt their best chances were to shape the narrative around a "referendum on Barack Obama" -- The idea being voters would find it easier to say "no" to Obama than would be for them to say "yes" to McCain.  And overall I agree this is the best way to fight Obama.  They can take potshots at him from the sidelines and then run onto the field when they see a chance to steal the ball.

Besides, McCain would be screwed if the media showed him the same attention as Obama.  Do you really think covering McCain's speeches and having pundits pick apart his policies would help John McCain?  If the spotlight spends too much time on him they'll have to dredge up Keating 5, his first wife, rape jokes, calling his wife a C**t, etc.  It would be a mess.

With that said, McCain does need to shore up his image now that a major pillar of his candidacy is gone.  Right now it looks like his entire political platform is a pile of complaints against Barack Obama, and that's not enough to win the election.


by Homebrewer on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 01:01:39 AM EST

Re: McCain is not complaining about the media (none / 0)

Hillary, as had to be pointed out to me after the fact, never really had ANY truly positive coverage from some sources and constantly had some negative coverage. Certainly up till she spoke up she was continuing to be barraged on all sides.

McCain is not there. The Republicans are the ones that the media always paints as in the de facto right position. And the Democrats are the ones that always have to prove themselves.

He does not complain, because he knows at the end of the day, what he got is as good as he's gonna get, and if he starts pissing them off, then he is going to be in even more trouble.

Of course, to suggest that having surrogates mention it means he is not trying to raise it is specious at best.


"Hey, check it out. You just had yourself a glue OD. So you're learning another lesson. Don't do too much glue, or your night sucks."
by vcalzone on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 08:14:42 AM EST


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