The Nation vs. MYDD

I couldn't help but noticing the opposite approaches adopted by progressive magazine "The Nation", which last week began circulating an open letter urging Barack Obama to stand firm on his progressive positions taken during the primaries, and this site, which praised Obama for what independent website Politifact.com called a "full flop" on tapping the Strategic Petroleum Reserve, much of which is located in Alaska.

Today, MYDD praises the right-wing Alaska Governor for being happy about Obama's flip flop.

I think both approaches make sense: One one hand, we have The Nation, asking Obama not to treat us voters like tools by dishonestly shifting his position on the issues according to what polls dictate.

On the other hand, MYDD wants to win the November elections, and it's aware that although Americans often believe BS such as the notion that drilling will somehow lower gas prices before 2025, Obama needs to let the polls be his adviser, and make the voters (who ultimately decide who becomes president) happy.

I am torn between these different strategies.
What do YOU think?



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Politifact.com called a "full flop" (1.25 / 4)

I call you a McTroll. Does that make it so in your mind?

The fact is, Obama did not change his position. He is now calling for swapping light crude in the reserve for heavy crude -- just as Bill Clinton did in 2000.

The liberal press fell into the trap of repeating "the surge is working," along with the neocons until it became an urban legend. I'm afraid the Nation is falling into that trap again in some pointless effort to pass itself off as non-partisan...which in today's political reality means mindlessly mouthing GOP talking points.


by Glaurung on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 11:05:54 PM EST

To be fair (2.00 / 2)

The Nation mentioned specific issues that were important to them. If I read the letter correctly, SOR isn't one of them, and so he should have their blessing.

Given that, there is no conflict on this issue between TN and the views of this site.


by Neef on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 11:09:03 PM EST

Re: To be fair (none / 0)

The absence of the strategic petroleum reserve issue is not necessarily proof that The Nation condones the flip flop.


by kingsbridge77 on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 11:12:18 PM EST
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It is proof (2.00 / 1)

that they don't condemn it.

Again, they laid out their issues very clearly.


by Neef on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 11:14:40 PM EST
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They went to print before he flipped on that one (2.00 / 2)

It proves nothing, other than nobody can keep up with his positions.


by catfish2 on Wed Aug 06, 2008 at 02:03:12 AM EST
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How many McPoints are you up to? (1.50 / 2)

By now it must be enough to attend the Cindy McCain Ms. Buffalo Chip contest.


When you start out making the "slippery slope" argument, where do you draw the line?
by Jess81 on Wed Aug 06, 2008 at 03:07:12 AM EST
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OMG I am the only troll here (none / 0)

you guys are insufferable.


by catfish2 on Wed Aug 06, 2008 at 11:50:10 AM EST
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then head on back (none / 0)

to Alegre's polished gold sewer and suffer us no more.  There your assets will be safe from the ungrateful negroes.


by JJE on Wed Aug 06, 2008 at 01:29:59 PM EST
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I met three such negroes last night NOT for Obama (2.00 / 1)

they were all women. One was in the military.

They have been called racist by young white men for months now and are fed up.


by catfish2 on Wed Aug 06, 2008 at 05:18:30 PM EST
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Sure you did (none / 0)

Did you make sure to compliment their nappy hair?


by JJE on Wed Aug 06, 2008 at 11:41:46 PM EST
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Re: To be fair (none / 0)

By the way, the issue is not absent from the letter altogether:

An environmental policy that transforms the economy by shifting billions of dollars from the consumption of fossil fuels to alternative energy sources, creating millions of green jobs.


by kingsbridge77 on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 11:15:16 PM EST
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Exactly (2.00 / 1)

and tapping the SOR doesn't conflict with that. Were Obama to flip on alternative energy (i.e. drill or die), he'd be running afoul of their goals.


by Neef on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 11:19:38 PM EST
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Re: To be fair (none / 0)

If anything, Obama just gave them nearly everything they would have wanted yesterday.


"Hey, check it out. You just had yourself a glue OD. So you're learning another lesson. Don't do too much glue, or your night sucks."
by vcalzone on Wed Aug 06, 2008 at 01:35:05 AM EST
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Re: The Nation vs. MYDD (2.00 / 2)

I call you a McTroll. Does that make it so in your mind?

Great comparison: Believing an award winning website which lays out the facts behinds its conclusion, is comparable in your mind to believing an anonymous nobody called Glaurung who posts comments on a blog.


by kingsbridge77 on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 11:10:28 PM EST

Re: The Nation vs. MYDD (none / 0)

Indeed.  As this article is just an excuse to link to Politifact I'm wondering why you didn't just make it the centerpiece of your article?

I mean The Nation has nothing, literally, nothing to do with this.


When you start out making the "slippery slope" argument, where do you draw the line?
by Jess81 on Wed Aug 06, 2008 at 03:09:49 AM EST
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Re: The Nation vs. MYDD (2.00 / 1)

Due to the charged language you use, my guess is that you are not truly "torn."


by rfahey22 on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 11:14:55 PM EST

Re: The Nation vs. MYDD (none / 0)

Your baseless accusation that I am anti-flipflop is an insult, and I ask you not to judge me.


by kingsbridge77 on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 11:16:39 PM EST
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Re: The Nation vs. MYDD (none / 0)

Clever, but you are funneling readers to your preferred result.  


by rfahey22 on Wed Aug 06, 2008 at 12:12:43 AM EST
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Apples & Oranges (2.00 / 1)

The Nation is a publication, and has an editorial board that presents a unified front of opinion.  I don't think that you can say that about any blog, except a private one.  Certainly not everyone here feels good about Obama's flip, which, honestly, is trivial.  Replace the sweet crude with sour, big deal -- It won't have any impact.


by semiquaver on Wed Aug 06, 2008 at 12:05:37 AM EST

Re: Apples & Oranges (none / 0)

Also, even if we take the diarist's premise as true that MyDD somehow speaks with one voice (which I don't because it doesn't), the goals of the two organizations are different.

The Nation is dedicated mainly to the advancement of progressive causes (and has been since abolition days) - they sometimes argue amongst themselves about the role that electoral politics plays in all of this (especially at the Fed level). In the end they tend to be concerned more with what gets done than with who does it.

MyDD and like blogs seem to have as their number one concern electing more and better Democrats.

These two goals often cross paths, but not always.


by vadasz on Wed Aug 06, 2008 at 02:43:24 AM EST
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Re: The Nation vs. MYDD (2.00 / 2)

After reading the diary, I was left with the impression that while MyDD wants the Democratic candidate to win the election, The Nation has taken a different point of view.

Then my head popped out of my ass.


"But not me personally were those cheers for"
by QTG on Wed Aug 06, 2008 at 12:15:46 AM EST

Re: The Nation vs. MYDD (none / 0)

You are really funny. no snark.


The Moose is on the loose. "And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"
by Hollede on Wed Aug 06, 2008 at 03:48:05 AM EST
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Hold on a second (none / 0)

The Palin press release that Singer talked about is about Alaska's natural gas reserves, not the strategic petroleum reserve.

Tapping the strategic petroleum reserve is, of course, nothing but pandering by Obama, but it's only about a 2 on the pander outrage scale.


by JJE on Wed Aug 06, 2008 at 12:37:04 AM EST

Re: Hold on a second (none / 0)

I think some people's outrage meter is stuck on 11.


When you start out making the "slippery slope" argument, where do you draw the line?
by Jess81 on Wed Aug 06, 2008 at 03:11:27 AM EST
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When he starts a war as a pander, (none / 0)

then I will be outraged.  My outrage meter has been rather beaten up by events, the last few years.


by Dumbo on Wed Aug 06, 2008 at 03:40:05 AM EST
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Re: The Nation vs. MYDD (none / 0)

I really despise The Nation and everything in it, so I tend to be very satisfied when someone upsets them. On oil, it's pretty clear that Obama had to kill the issue. America wants aggressive short term relief. Obama's previous positions offered none of that. So, he shifted.

I was one of the only people to praise Hillary for endorsing the gas tax holiday because I knew she knew where the majority of people were on this issue. Voters care about the long term, but the also care about right now. It isn't sufficient to proclaim how clever you are by denouncing efforts to address "right now." Obama's camp made a reasonable calculation. An extremely unreasonable calculation was his caving on FISA.


While I could sit in church and pray all I want, I wouldn't be fulfilling God's will unless I went out and did the Lord's work ~ Barack Obama
by bowiegeek on Wed Aug 06, 2008 at 01:00:29 AM EST

Re: The Nation vs. MYDD (none / 0)

America wants aggressive short term relief. Obama's previous positions offered none of that. So, he shifted.

What an elegant way to describe what happened. After having Bush in office, I think listening to the people and adapting your policies accordingly is a forgotten concept.
"Hey, check it out. You just had yourself a glue OD. So you're learning another lesson. Don't do too much glue, or your night sucks."
by vcalzone on Wed Aug 06, 2008 at 01:48:56 AM EST
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I don't get the confusion (2.00 / 2)

When it comes to primaries, you don't get a lot of moderates and independents. You get the people who feel most passionate about their issues and who are strongly motivated to participate. And like it or not, they're the ones who decide which candidates tepid moderates and shifting independents get to vote for in the GE.

And it's been like that for a long time.

That said, and I've posted this comment elsewhere, the general rule of thumb in blue-state Illinois is that you cannot get elected UNLESS you're a moderate, and both parties know it. That's a major reason why Alan Keyes lost to Obama in a landslide.

So why all the "progessives""liberals" "left-wing"/whatever are so surprised to see him tacking center I don't know. I knew when I helped vote him into the Senate that I was getting a moderate who would pretty much stay near to the center, so I'm not surprised at all.

What I like - and what made him somewhat unique - was that he was willing to compromise to overcome the kind of blind obstructionist tactics the GOP is enthusiastically practicing now.


McSame '08: Against All Hope - and Proud of It
by Its All So Goofy on Wed Aug 06, 2008 at 01:42:37 AM EST

Re: The Nation vs. MYDD (none / 0)

JJE has it right. You're missing the point of Jonathan's post, kings, which is that the Palin felt the need to go out of her way to compliment an element of Barack Obama's energy plan. Again, with feeling, that's the Republican Alaska governor praising the Democratic presidential nominee's energy plan. Now, as JJE notes, she was specifically referencing Alaska's natural gas reserves, not the petroleum reserve, that's your own editorial flourish. Analyzing two opposing strategies and opening MyDD up for possible criticism is, of course, fair game, it's just you're comparing apples and oranges here.


by Todd Beeton on Wed Aug 06, 2008 at 01:44:33 AM EST

Re: The Nation vs. MYDD (none / 0)

Hmmm
kingsguy..

Your problem..
On one hand you are stuck with this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phjDm05E9 Qw

on the other hand..
oh your other hand is busy..


"harlequin speech of suicide, demanding instantaneous lobotomy"
by nogo postal on Wed Aug 06, 2008 at 09:46:37 AM EST

Re: The Nation vs. MYDD (none / 0)

No contest: The Nation wins hands down. Afterall, look who their writers are; ours, by contrast, are lay people with opinions, although we sometimes feature articles by good analysts, including Nation writers. This opinion is not to diminish MyDD, but merely to make plain that MyDD is a blog and not a venerable liberal news magazine like The Nation.

In fact, I hardly ever see issues displayed on MyDD that are found regularly on The Nation: values, poverty, economics, foreign policy including African poverty, Darfur, and even the broad Middle East which is a hot issue in this campaign but seldom diaried on.


by shyboy on Wed Aug 06, 2008 at 02:58:09 PM EST


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